2004/07/24

Some Thoughts On Our National Trauma
Sometimes I think Australia is traumatised by its expereinces in the two World Wars beyond what other nations might sustain. As if in its infancy, the nation witnessed unsuprassed brutality in the face of war. So culturally, Australia possesses a kind of desire for the power of redemptive violence to bring it into manhood as a nation, but at the same time, a kind of whiny insistence on pointing at the trauma gained by the very desire for combat. And so you have Anzac Day where veterans parade with their medals and TV stations air documentaries of wrinkled old folks talking about the hardships they experienced.

In its 210 or so years of written history, if you live for 30 years,  you have lived 1/7th of the entire nation's history. Consider that for a moment. If one were to live 1/7th of the written history of say, China you would have to live 500 years. Or in the case of Egypt, 1500 years. To such nations, wars are historic inevitabilities. They are accidents of human existence; or natural disasters. In fact all three interpretations of war can be applied to any number of truly brutal wars in their history.

Former Prime Minister Paul Keating lost his father in the Bataan march. So in his time as treasurer, he refused (not that he was invited) to visit Japan. As Prime Minister, he finally went and pretty much demanded an apology. Now this is an Australian Prime Minister I liked (sorry Conservative Weasel; he was a bastard, but he was 'our bastard'), but I felt a degree of discomfort with this part of his disposition. It meani that no matter how long I lived, I wouldn't be fully Australian in his eyes (and screw him very much, I voted for him!). That, because of things that neither I nor he could control, I would forever be a foreigner in my own country. Worse still, this reflectes the general community sentiment when I get asked "how long do you intend to stay here?".
There's still an anxiety in Australia that Japan will forget its militarist past. Many would try not to let Japan live it down. And yet Australia is dealing with a country with a written history that is a good 7 times longer, tht has experienced many a bloody conflict. At a certain point, they will simlpy 'put it down to history'. Why can't Australia? because it was a significant part of this nation's formative expereince.

But back to this trauma. It manifests itself in the uncomfortable alliance with th United States of America, where we do tag along with US policy and then squirm and writhe when we are made their deputies;  the way Australian diplomatic strategy tries to project a larger image of Australian domestic power than is actualy real, and yet tries to duck our share of humaitarian aid; and also the perpetual cultural cringe and self-censorship that goes into the arts. It all sees to amount to a scream for legitimacy (but also a kind of demand of "freedom from responsibility"). Then when our govenrment, Coalition or Labor, gets criticised for its shortcomings it behaves like a victim. Well, why would Contemporary Australia, a nation largely devoid of the kind of civil strife that other nations experience and have experienced, be in anyway a victim? While one could easily argue a case that the Indigenous Australians are victims of history, it's a long shot to say that Contemporary Australia is anything like a victim. It's clearly a case of over-stating one's injuries.

I don't know why I chose to write this down today except it has been bothering me the last few years, how our government has been so easy to switch to a victim posture in discussing the refugees arriving on our shores to our onvolvement in the 'War Against Terror'. I simply would have thought Australia was better than that.

- Art Neuro 

7 comments:

DaoDDBall said...

I think it good that you have expressed your thoughts so clearly.

You are right to think that I might not agree with you on many points. But I do sympathise.

I do not disagree with your conclusions. I think there is a different take you can place on some assumptions.

When I argue, I aim for short declarative statements that avoid 'history.' For example, I might say "My grandfather fought for Australia in WW2." This might be in response to someone who tells me that the US were wrong to have entered the war so late, or that Britain was wrong to have supported Germany through Chamberlain, or when someone says that Stalin was forced to behave like an animal.

From my statement, I can then work towards a viewpoint that tests the statement. For example "I understand the fighting that took place in Syria et al was quite tough. Supplies were short. Both sides needed the oil fields." From there, I can launch on the world's leaders recklessly leaving such important fights to such a minor power as Australia and its rag tag of skilled migrants.

Your case for Egypt being 10500 years old is weak, and might be disputed. But if yoou line it up with other statements, the shotgun effect kicks in. This effect is often employed by the mass media and polititions and academics of low repute. The truth is often more interesting than the effect inspires to believe.

In fact, history plays a large part in how a person sees themselves. However, it might be argued that few adults understand or respect much history before they were fifteen years old. It is true that personality is substantially set by the age of three, but three is not the age where cognitive development flowers into mature opinion. Which the Weasel sets at about twenty two years.

So the measure of 1/7th doesn't really make much sence without some of your assumptions. And so the follow throughs aren't as important.

What is important, to an individual, is local history and cultural place. Are people satisfied with their upbringing and viewpoint? I think you, as a Japanese person related to those convicted of being on the wrong side to the winners, might feel raw. I think you have a good reason to feel hard done by. I think you will do well, artistically, to enunciate this division. However, I think it is a long bow to draw to relate your experince with Mr Keating.

Mr Keating had no right to protest the way he did. There is a legitimate grievance Australia has, but his method of protesting had lessened the case.

As for comparing Australia with other nations, I think Australia is best viewed as being like the USA prior to the Civil War. Except we don't have slavery. But the Unionist Leadership is similar to Slave owners. Federally disenfranchised, but with strong state support and support from abroad.

Art Neuro said...

Well, if you choose *not* to consider history, sure.

However, I always choose to consider history because those who do not are doomed to repeat it; and in the case of th Chinese, even when they do know it, choose to repeate it. :) Or take the Balkans where the gripes of 1346 still cast real shadows over people's lives. What is that *without* considering their history? And what could we possibly make of any and all the strife in the Middle East without understanding history that leads back to the Crusades where the 'gripes of wrath' were sown?

Australia's unique strength is that it doesn't have a historic burden worth snot save for the indigineous-population-harming legacy. Instead it chooses to disproprtionately trumpet the 2 World Wars as if they were the Olympics of Combat. It certainly ain't much whack next to the great civilizations on the planet including Babylon, a.k.a. Iraq. And here we are sending our troops as if we are the civilized and they the barbarians because what? They decapitate their prisoners?

I would still contend that history may disagree with that position, and that our sense of being so civilised is nothing but a cloud of euro-centric media-production, ripe for the de-binking, with which you wouldn't necessarily disagree.
Think about it (as Martin Bencik would have pled):
The cradle of Civilization itself, was between the Tigris and Euphrates. The ruins of Ziggurat of Ur remains in Iraq. The Tower of Babel and the Hanging Gardens stood there; and we think we are more civilised because we come in with better guns and planes and logisitics. I kind of shudder with embarrassment at that, I'm sorry. It reminds me of more of the barbarians sacking Rome.

DaoDDBall said...

Shudder with embarrassment if you will. What separates us from them is not history, but civilisation. You should take care with your 'them's, because many of 'them' work with us.

Actually, many of us work with them. Many of 'them' aren't really them at all, but other people. Fun wa made of the killers recently over the fact that they don't have Iraqi accents.

The people that you characterise as being behind the war are legitimate by civilised standards , but the enemy is not. Not by Europen standards and not by Iraqi standards.

This is not a cringe issue. There are killers who are motivated by innocent blood. They will not disappear by redefinition.

Your historical examples involve school level misnomers. Religion played only a small part in the crusades. Religion plays almost no part in the current terrorist movements, be they Irish or Arab. A feigned middle class spiritualism that masks itself as religion is responsible for many misdeeds.

WW2 and WW1 were important with important lessons that are availabe to living meomory. Australia was not invitd to the armistice by USA in Japan. This might be because of the loser ALP government being offside with US forces in particular and other world powers in general. Remember, the ALP sacrificed all of its men at Singapore and then recalled European divisions to cover its ass. ALP introduced rationing for the war effort and tried to buy back the Commonwealth Bank with the excess of the rationing!

The great tech achievements of Australia were, in militay terms, achieved under Menzies. Nuclear. Submarines. Cooperation with US. Korea. Vietnam. Computers. Better Highways...

Art Neuro said...

I think you're deliberately missing the point to run your favourtie ideological line. If ideas that function in the schoolroom cannot be applied to the real world, what good is it to b teaching them in the classroom Mr. Weasel? :)

It's undeniable that the United Nations' human rights charter come out of a humanist tradition which is predominantly euro-centric. Which is why it is not shared b non-European heirtages, and they come back and say, "hang on, this doesn't work for us". (To be blunt it didn't work for Hermann Goering either).
In this humanist vision of the world, there is no space to admit decapitations as acts of *civilised humans*. Which flies in the face of historic truth. Ditto for all the blood-thirsty killer business you ascribe to 'the Other'. Yes they are motivated, but not necessarily by what you say: blood of the innocents. It would be a gross simplification on your part to proceed on the basis that those who do injury against us do it out of Evil. If you say it is 'hatred', then it is incumbent upon us to ask why they hate us so.
However, clearly they do it for a reason other than evil, especially if they think we are evil.

Now, I've lived all my life in a euro-centric value system, and yet I am not somebody with a European heritage. So it behooves me to say I understand it totally, but it does give me enough third party perspective to say, "This ain't what you say it is". And Iraq ain't what people say it is.
It ain't barbaric, even if insurgents come in and from other states and decapitate folk.
It ain't barbaric even if the current PM is alleged to have shot these insurgents himself in a manner not unlike gangland executions.
And none of this has to do with religion/spirituality either - so at least we both agree on that.
All I'm saying is that a young pup nation with super-guns ought to have a deeper respect for a history that runs back to the Ziggurat of Ur and the people who live there with that cultural awareness.

What you're trying to say is that technological superiority plus non-decapitations ergo makes us moe civiliised than our blood-thirsty enemies. That's a load of hogwash Mr. Weasel, with a colonialist undertone deeply embedded into its connotations. And believe me, people will spot it a mile off.
It's just a cleverly disguised version of "Let's go to Baghdad and civilise those murderous jigaboos!"
Well what if they are plenty civilised already? What the hell are we offering them? Instead our guys are going there in search of the redemptive violence.
Can't you see the irrational mis-match there?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be there. On the contrary, I've argued Saddam had to be taken down since the Richard Butler and the UNSCOM people were kicked out in 1998; and argued it was legitimate based on the terms of the ceasefire of April 1991.
I'm saying we're there, but we don't seem to have a clue what we're up against.

While I too remain frustrated with these kidnappings and beheadings, I would contend that history makes these terrorist people our motivated enemies; the means they use to prosecute their wars are those out of their heritage and it pays to understand what that heritage is before we start labelling them barbaric; which unfortuantely is exactly the way our media and our governments are doing it.

DaoDDBall said...

What I'm saying is that your observation of national cringe, being "a kind of desire for the power of redemptive violence to bring it into manhood as a nation, but at the same time, a kind of whiny insistence on pointing at the trauma gained by the very desire for combat" is related to assumptions I disagree with.

You have this perception, and you have argued a justification for it. That arguement you have constructed is faulty.

I suggested an arguement line you might use that didn't have the faulty structure.

I can't argue delusion.

Art Neuro said...

For me to be the one that is delusional, I'm taking it as read that:
- Clearly you're in denial about ANZAC day.
- Clearly you are ignorant of community attitude towards what ANZAC day means to Australians.
- Clearly you are saying you wouldn't fight those wars again; or that these wars did not make a contribution to Australia's self-image.
- Clearly Australia is not traumatised by the events of WWI & WWII.

While I do doubt you believe these things, I don't see why *I* have to cop to being 'delusional'. I don't think I deserve ad hominem atacks like that from you.
So far your argument can be condensed to history is irrelevant. I'm happy to disagree with you and leave it at that.

Cheers

DaoDDBall said...

"For me to be the one that is delusional, I'm taking it as read that:
- Clearly you're in denial about ANZAC day. "

I don't deny Anzac Day. I treat it as any other public holiday when I prefer to be alone. Both my grandfathers were (according to family legend) present at Gallipolli (fighting for different armies). Some of my students feel that the day glorifies war, which the school takes pains to disprove. Some students enjoy the holiday and some students think it might be an ancestor worship thing.

"- Clearly you are ignorant of community attitude towards what ANZAC day means to Australians.
- Clearly you are saying you wouldn't fight those wars again; or that these wars did not make a contribution to Australia's self-image."

I am on record as believing that Australia of today is worth dying for. I don't agree with three quarters of the political spectrum, but I would die to allow the arguement to proceed. I think WW2 and WW1 were worth prosecuting, although each time the ALP had a negative effect that wasted Australian lives for political gain. I gather you approve of that.

"- Clearly Australia is not traumatised by the events of WWI & WWII."
It's too long ago to say traumatised. I think wiser is a better word.

"While I do doubt you believe these things, I don't see why *I* have to cop to being 'delusional'. I don't think I deserve ad hominem atacks like that from you.
So far your argument can be condensed to history is irrelevant. I'm happy to disagree with you and leave it at that."

I argued that you were not arguing logically.

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