70 Years And Counting (Towards What, I don't Know)
This time of year always gets a little hairy with Hiroshima Day and Nagasaki Day and VJ day all coming within days of another. It gives you a sense how hurried the end of WWII was, back in 1945. Still, I try to shut out the commentary on what it means today because frankly, it's been 70years. I don't know how to break it to people, but 70years is history. It should be awarded some more objectivity than rehashed propaganda, but of course that's not what we get.
I was driving over to my parents place and on Drive with Richard Glover was Geraldine Doogue and Lisa Wilkinson. Richard Glover - a witty bastard any day of the week, respect - asked with a serious tone, whether dropping the bomb was worth it. Geraldine Doogue's answer gave me the shits. Essentially, she quoted some historian who wanted to know why we talk about the dead of Hiroshima more than the 25million victims of the Japanese military aggression; and the fact the Japanese were willing to fight to the death justified dropping the bomb, so doing so saved lives; and this makes it justifiable. Lisa Wilkinson thought that the point of wars was being a bigger bastard than the other guy, and so America was willing to be the biggest baddest bastard and that explained the bomb.
Central to this construction is this ongoing myth that the two bombs brought about the Unconditional Surrender of Japan. I say myth because I've read a fair deal of the meetings held by the Five Ministers in front of the Emperor. The Imperial Conferences were an abbreviated briefing of the Emperor to short circuit the need to have cabinet meetings followed by reports to the Imperial Palace. Obviously it evolved out of the necessity because the war situation changed so quickly and so often it was easier to have the Emperor in the room to rubber stamp decisions. It also meant the Emperor had to sit and listen to the ministers ague.
The five Ministers at the Imperial Conferences were the Prime Minister, the Army Minister, the Navy Minister, the Finance Minister and the Foreign Minister. By early August 1945, these meetings were fairly desultory. Kantaro Suzuki was the Prime Minister, a retired Admiral, who was charged by the Emperor Hirohito to bring the war to an "honourable end". Those thing are pretty hard to get when you're getting spanked, but nonetheless, that was his job.
There are transcripts and reports of these meetings. The Navy Minister was Mitsumasa Yonai, an admiral who was later exonerated at the Tokyo Trials; and the Army minister was Korechika Anami, who argued the line that the people of Japan were willing to die to the man, and so the only honourable end to the war was where everybody died for the Emperor. You can imagine how the Emperor might have felt about that, waiting to rubber stamp that horrible decision.
On the morning of the 6th of August 1945, they were having yet another one of these meetings. There is an interruption where it is reported that a new bomb has been dropped on Hiroshima and devastated the city with one blast. And it barely registers with the Five Ministers. I've read that passage at least four or five times and it is indiscernible that this new - earth shattering even - information affected the discussion. The sticking point in all of these meetings in August was what "subject to" meant in the Potsdam Declaration that demanded the unconditional surrender.
If the Allies meant "subject to" in general, then sure, that is what a surrender is; but if they meant "subject to" as in the Emperor was going to be turned into a personal slave of Douglas MacArthur, then every Japanese person ought to die fighting to prevent such an outcome. Yes, it's weird, but this is what happens when things get lost in translation. So these grown men argued in front of the Emperor interminably while the cities were burnt by carpet bombings. And they kept arguing right on for another 4days like this, past not only the Hiroshima bombing but the Nagasaki bombing as well.
They were holding out hope that either Sweden or the USSR would step in as neutrals to broker a peace. Unbelievable as it sounds, that was the project being pursued by the Foreign Ministry in the first part of 1945. This scenario fell apart when the USSR advanced troops into Manchuria, breaking its Non-Aggression Pact with Japan on the 10th August. This was the news that changed the meetings.
There's a lot that could be said about Stalin, the USSR and its role in World War II, but I'll leave that for the serious historians writing about it. If there is one thing that is irrevocably clear is that Stalin's betrayal closed the books on Japan's war. by the 11th, the Japanese leaders made the executive decision to surrender to the Americans in the hope that Japan won't be overrun by communism (this too is a very big topic which I won't go into). Hirohito rubber-stamped that one quickly according to the Kido Diaries.
The point of all this is that it most definitely wasn't the two Atomic blasts in Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively that prompted the surrender of Japan. And without that bit of justification, it is impossible to argue that dropping the two atomic bombs "saved lives". Yet the myth lives on because it is harder to live with the awful likelihood that the two atomic bombs were dropped on civilian population centres for nothing but absolutely gratuitous effect. I'm sure this is why Geraldine Doogue wants to hold tightly to the myth that the two atomic bombs were meaningful in history, that they saved lives by stopping the war. Uh, sorry, but no. It just ain't true.
In a perfect world, I would want the two bombs to be meaningful in a positive way. That they are not meaningful in the way that people want it to assuage their moral egos, does not take anything away significance from the event in history. What I will say is this; it's been 70years since. I'm willing to let it slide into history. I ask not for tears to be shed for the civilians who copped it sweet, nor for revenge or retaining the grievances. I just want us to move past the bullshit propaganda that seeks to cast the bombings in a positive light. If you really want to come to terms with the events, that's the price.
No Nuance, No Peace
All of which is to say it really got my goat. What was said by Geraldine Doogue, was deeply offensive. If you can justify civilian casualties to end the war because that saves lives, you may as well make no distinctions as to who gets killed in a war and why. It's so Orwellian it's not funny.
Let's say for the moment you can justify bombing civilians because it ends wars (Doogue's argument, not mine). That would mean we would be free to bomb as many people as long as what came after the bombing was peaceful. We wouldn't have a leg to stand on in arguing against the Hanoi bombings by Richard Nixon, which of course was as unjust as they come, but all Nixon wanted to do was end the war once and for all. The Nazis bombed London, and that would be justifiable because they too were trying to end the war (by winning the Battle of Britain). We wouldn't be able to complain about collateral damage and civilian deaths resulting from Drone strikes, or the carpet bombing of Iraq using B-52s during 'Shock & Awe'.
And if you're allowed to bomb civilians to death - because it would end the war sooner to do so - then surely killing them en masse on the ground should be fine as well. Things like the 1995 Srebrenica massacre would not be war crimes, they would just attempts to bring the end of the war closer.
It's war. There is no "alright" kind of position to take on the state-sponsored violence that is war. If Geraldine Doogue wants to justify the state-sponsored violence carried out in her favour, then she's going to have to deal with arguments that justify state-sponsored violence carried out against her side. That means she has to support the case that the Nazis were right in wiping out civilian populations the Eastern Front, or that Russian pogroms were good; or that the Killing Fields of Cambodia were somehow good because they brought about peace in Cambodia.
Clearly it's an unenlightened position to hold.
The joke of course is that Doogue probably believes some of these examples are War Crimes. In which case she's essentially arguing War Crimes are justifiable if they take place in her favour, but not at any other time. It's this kind of exceptionalism that makes me sick to the gut talking about Word War II.
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Pleiades Mailbag-Drop
"A Conspiracy Is Any Plot You're Not Part Thereof"
Or so the joke definition goes.
Pleiades sent in this interesting ittle link to some guy defending the cause of conspiracy theorists. It's a good little read.
To be fair, it IS amusing. The world IS going to hell in a basket; it doesn't seem pertinent which conspiracy is driving it that way. And there's also Occam's razor: maaybe there's a simpler explanation to all this crap?
Anyway, I like conspiracy theorists, probably more than their theories; while not necessarily bellieving everything I read what they write. :)
Nazis Exploded A-Bomb?
This was in the SMH.
Here's a classic: The Nazis may have done their own nuclear tests successfully. So Albert Einstein was right when he went and taalkeed to FDR and told them what could be on the cards. It's not all 'Oppenheimer's deadly toy' as Sting sang in the 1980s, after all.
Here's a question. There was a tech exchange between the Germans and Japanese where the Japanese acquired plans for the Me262 Edelweiss, Me163 Komet and other interesting things. Did the Japanese get the plans this A-Bomb? We'll never know, but I've never seen any evidence thay did, I've seen War Ministerial discussions about the bomb after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but not prior to it.
Or so the joke definition goes.
Pleiades sent in this interesting ittle link to some guy defending the cause of conspiracy theorists. It's a good little read.
Today, in the communication age, people have much greater access to information, particularly via the Internet, the world´s greatest public access channel. Therefore it is much easier to discover, share and promote conspiracy theories and expand them to include more current events. Like everything else in our society, conspiracy theories have become hyper-accelerated--every time a major figure dies, or a major event happens, conspiracy theorists are there to point out the connections and explain what happened in sinister terms. Although the Internet is free speech at its best, what we have gained in quantity, perhaps we have lost in quality--anybody with anything to say can build a web site and say it, and it carries some credibility precisely because it is published.
The result is noise. One could argue that with so much noise, with so many theories, conspiracy theory itself loses more credibility even while real conspiracies may actually be happening. Conspiracy theories have become so accelerated that the theorists are the boy who cried wolf. Investigative journalists, once considered something of conspiracy theorists themselves, are continuously taking themselves more seriously and conspiracy theories less seriously, and now deride them in print. Stories about alleged connections between the CIA and the crack epidemic are met with open hostility and ridicule by the media (although the Director of the CIA took them seriously enough to hold a televised town meeting with LA residents). Plots to take over the government are met with laughter.
To be fair, it IS amusing. The world IS going to hell in a basket; it doesn't seem pertinent which conspiracy is driving it that way. And there's also Occam's razor: maaybe there's a simpler explanation to all this crap?
Anyway, I like conspiracy theorists, probably more than their theories; while not necessarily bellieving everything I read what they write. :)
Nazis Exploded A-Bomb?
This was in the SMH.
Here's a classic: The Nazis may have done their own nuclear tests successfully. So Albert Einstein was right when he went and taalkeed to FDR and told them what could be on the cards. It's not all 'Oppenheimer's deadly toy' as Sting sang in the 1980s, after all.
On October 12, 1944, Romersa, then a 27-year-old war correspondent, was taken to the island of Rugen, where he watched the detonation of what his hosts called a "disintegration bomb".Well, this kind of adds credence to the notion that there is evidence of suppressed information a-plenty when this sort of information surfaces 60 years later. After all it would explain the speed with which the Russians acquired a plutonium bomb, having captured the better German scientists.
"They took me to a concrete bunker with an aperture of exceptionally thick glass. There was a slight tremor in the bunker; a sudden, blinding flash, and then a thick cloud of smoke. It took the shape of a column and then that of a big flower.
"The officials there told me we had to remain in the bunker for several hours because of the effects of the bomb. When we eventually left, they made us put on a sort of coat and trousers which seemed to me to be made of asbestos and we went to the scene of the explosion.
"The effects were tragic. The trees around had been turned to carbon. No leaves. Nothing alive. There were some animals - sheep - in the area and they too had been burnt to cinders."
When he wrote of his experiences after the war, "everyone said I was mad". By then, it was universally accepted that Hitler's scientists had been years away from testing a nuclear device.
However, documents published recently by Mr Karlsch and a US scholar, Mark Walker, have punctured this consensus. Russian archives have shown one of the German scientists lodged a patent claim for a plutonium bomb as early as 1941 and, in June, the two historians published an article in Physics World that included what they said was the first diagram of one of the bombs Hitler's scientists were trying to build, a device that exploited both fission and fusion.
Here's a question. There was a tech exchange between the Germans and Japanese where the Japanese acquired plans for the Me262 Edelweiss, Me163 Komet and other interesting things. Did the Japanese get the plans this A-Bomb? We'll never know, but I've never seen any evidence thay did, I've seen War Ministerial discussions about the bomb after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but not prior to it.
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